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Old 04-02-2015, 04:50 PM
kflee00 kflee00 is offline
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Default 1 or 2-level lumbar ADR? Need help

Hi everyone,



I’d like to thank the members who’ve shared their experiences with me during my research. My symptoms became a lot worse 3 weeks ago so I don’t think I can wait too long. But the surgeons disagree on my L5/S1 so I don’t know if I’m a 1-level (L4/5) or 2-level (L4-S1). It’s a tough decision so any input is greatly appreciated.

39 y/o M, 5’ 7”, 155 lbs
MRIs & X-rays: Current; facets not contraindicated for ADR
DEXA bone scan: Looks good
Metal allergy test: Waiting for results

Images attached:
1) MRI from 2015 (L5/S1 sagittal & axial view)
2) Pain diagram (explanation in message below)
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L5S1.jpgPain diagram.pdf



Treatment plan (Clavel – Skype, Bierstedt – phone, TBI – email):
L4/5: All 3 agree on ADR.
L5/S1: Only Clavel suggested ADR although that’s open for discussion upon physical exam in Barcelona. But all surgeons (including Dare from UK) agree that the disc hasn’t degenerated significantly, if at all, between 2010 and 2015 (i.e. same disc height & similar nucleus degeneration).

L5/S1 diagnosis:
1) Bierstedt: Disc is healthy and wouldn’t touch it.
2) TBI: Not operating on it. Is their decision to only do a 1-level at L4/5 due to FDA restrictions? Is the Pro-Disc-L approved for 2 levels in the US?
3) Clavel: Pointed out a tiny tear to the right side annulus (3 radiologists have missed it). Says the tear & nucleus degeneration can also be contributing to my symptoms.
4) Dare: Pointed out a tiny tear as well. Waiting for phone consultation.
MRI report: Mild diffuse desiccation and slight vertical height loss with bulge eccentric to the right but no evidence of descending or exiting impingement.

Concerns about ADR at L5/S1:
1) Sacral slope & sheer load – but Clavel says that my 33 degrees slope isn’t an issue.
2) Disc doesn’t look too bad to me – I’m a little hesitant about replacing it but I also don’t want another surgery a few years down the road.
3) Do the discs usually look better on MRIs but then are actually worse when the surgeons open you up?
4) Higher risks with 2-level vs. 1-level ADR

Usual symptoms:
- Most of the pain is in the lower back and hips
- Numbness in butt (both sides) after sitting
- Sciatica pain (both legs) after sitting for 1 hour
- Cramps & burning (both feet) after standing or walking for more than 1 hour


Worst episode (3 weeks ago):
- Severe muscle spasm & unable to move for 4 hours – was in ER for 6 hours before stabilized

New sacral pain (around L5/S1) since 3 weeks ago:
- When sneezing
- When changing positions (i.e. from sitting to standing)

Thank you for reading my post – I look forward to your input. I’m just afraid of doing too few or too many levels.


Best regards,
Michael
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2009 - L4/5 broad-based protrusion, L5/S1 herniation.
2010 - Lami & Discectomy at L4/5, solved most of the bilateral leg pain but still have trouble sitting.
2011 - 2013 Sitting long hrs trigger pain in back/hips/legs & severe back muscle spasm.
2015 - Symptoms became worse, can only sit a total of 1-2 hrs daily and walk 45 mins. Spend most of time in bed.
May 7, 2015 - M6 at L4/5 and C5-C7 at the same time by Dr. Pablo Clavel.
December 2015 - M6 at L3/4 & L5/S1 by Dr. Pablo Clavel.
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