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Old 08-10-2010, 11:25 PM
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Hi Charles -

Thanks so much for your note. You're right in that it does seem to make sense in my case to try to identify the pain generator and location in order to help me decide (in particular foraminotomy vs. discectomy). But the docs that I've talked to have not recommended discogram / discography.

Apparently, although the info provided can be useful, there's been quite a controversy over the last few years about its real predictive value and more importantly whether it can cause damage to the discs that are being tested.

Here's a 2009 report on a clinical study comparing effects by one of its now-influential critics (Dr. Caragee):
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/710269

This was also discussed at the 2010 Spine Arthroplasty Society (SAS) meeting that Harrison just posted a great summary of (see page 29):
http://www.adrsupport.org/forums/f51...members-10703/

As noted a speaker called the last 10 years "the decade of Carragee" for his numerous articles showing that discography was unreliable and caused harm.

However, this led me to a follow-on discussion at SAS of a new diagnostic technique called Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy ("MRS") that apparently has even greater sensitivity and specificity (reported on the same page noted above).

I'm meeting with Carl Lauryssen in LA tomorrow and will plan to ask him about it ...

Best to you,
Tyler

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Tyler,

Everyone is correct in that a discectomy or foraminotomy will correct radiating arm pain (which comes from the nerves being pinched) but probably will not correct neck pain if that is coming from the discs themselves. The best way to find out may be a discogram, where they inject dye into the discs and pressurize them to see if that replicates your neck pain. If it does, that indicates that the discs are the cause of the pain and not the nerves. In addition, they take a CT scan after the procedure (while the dye is still in the discs) and that allows them to better visualize the discs---if they are leaking dye that suggests they are degenerated and probably need to be replaced.

Most surgeons will not do an ADR or fusion surgery without doing a discogram first, to verify the source of the pain. It seems to me that this would allow you to find out if your neck pain was from your nerves being impinged or from the discs being degenerated.
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2010 Cycling accident tripped up an old motorcycle injury
C5-6 and C6-7 disc degeneration, foraminal compromise with indentation of nerve roots causing arm pain and weakness
Aug-27-2010: 2-level ADR (C5-6 & C6-7) with Spinal Kinetics's M6-C by Nick Boeree, Nuffield Wessex Hosp., Eastleigh, UK
Completely off of pain meds since a few days post-op and symptom-free; have returned to cycling, climbing and all other activities (but staying off the motorcycle)
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Old 08-15-2010, 07:34 PM
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Leaning toward M6-C:

http://www.adrsupport.org/forums/f51...96/index2.html
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2010 Cycling accident tripped up an old motorcycle injury
C5-6 and C6-7 disc degeneration, foraminal compromise with indentation of nerve roots causing arm pain and weakness
Aug-27-2010: 2-level ADR (C5-6 & C6-7) with Spinal Kinetics's M6-C by Nick Boeree, Nuffield Wessex Hosp., Eastleigh, UK
Completely off of pain meds since a few days post-op and symptom-free; have returned to cycling, climbing and all other activities (but staying off the motorcycle)
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Old 08-25-2010, 06:39 PM
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After a lot of searching I've settled on: (1) the surgeon - Nick Boeree in the UK (2) the procedure - discectomy + ADR at C5-6 and C6-7 (3) the discs - Spinal Kinetics M6-C Only things left are to get it done (2 days to go...) and recover!
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2010 Cycling accident tripped up an old motorcycle injury
C5-6 and C6-7 disc degeneration, foraminal compromise with indentation of nerve roots causing arm pain and weakness
Aug-27-2010: 2-level ADR (C5-6 & C6-7) with Spinal Kinetics's M6-C by Nick Boeree, Nuffield Wessex Hosp., Eastleigh, UK
Completely off of pain meds since a few days post-op and symptom-free; have returned to cycling, climbing and all other activities (but staying off the motorcycle)
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Old 08-26-2010, 05:40 PM
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Tyler,

Congratulations on getting all of those decisions made! We all know from experience how difficult it is to make them. Please keep us posted on when you go, your surgery and recovery.

Good luck!

Jeff
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Old 08-28-2010, 02:26 PM
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Smile Just had two-level ADR with Spinal Kinetics' M6-C

Just had two M6-C discs implanted at C5-6 and C6-7 by Nick Boeree in the UK. So far amazing success:

http://www.adrsupport.org/forums/f47...743/#post87035
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2010 Cycling accident tripped up an old motorcycle injury
C5-6 and C6-7 disc degeneration, foraminal compromise with indentation of nerve roots causing arm pain and weakness
Aug-27-2010: 2-level ADR (C5-6 & C6-7) with Spinal Kinetics's M6-C by Nick Boeree, Nuffield Wessex Hosp., Eastleigh, UK
Completely off of pain meds since a few days post-op and symptom-free; have returned to cycling, climbing and all other activities (but staying off the motorcycle)
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