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Old 01-22-2013, 09:13 PM
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Oh plus as he stood up he said that he had spent a lot of time with us and he had to run. Oh and I scheduled two time slots as to not effect others appointments and he was an hour late seeing us.
I would never let a doctor I didn't trust cut me open, it just isn't worth the stress, nor would I go with a doctor that treated me that way - there are better options out there...
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Lifelong history of back issues from a young age, spasms etc.
1995 - Weightlifting injury
1997 - Hip Injury
2009 - Trampoline injury (just bounced down on my butt)
2009-2011 Physiotherapy and medication, progress but no lasting pain relief
2010 - X-Ray DDD L5-S1, L4-L5, L4-L3
2010 - MRI Herniation L5-S1, Bulges L4-L5, L4-L3
2011 - Epidurals - No relief
2012 - Facet Injections - No relief
2012 - Discogram TBI - positive L3-S1

L3-S1 ADR M6-L w Clavel 11/28/2012
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:39 PM
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Jeffr
You are exactly right, I am just tired of the #%& holes acting like I am a total POS and he knows what is best no matter the circumstance. The best part was when I asked him about the M6 he said it was great and he loved it. When I told him I was considering going to Europe to have it installed he started waffling saying "well it is new and who knows if it will stay together and they haven't been out long enough to know if it was truly a successful product, plus He was saying that getting products approved over in europe was easy and basically all one had to prove is that it wasn't dangerous to ones health." I think he was trying to tell me that the FDA had a much better system in place to ensure the products were safe and effective as in Europe. the are only safe and not necessarily productive. Oh my goodness I'm losing my mind?!?!?!? I can't stand this crap much longer. I am beginning to be a cranky old man at 32 YOA. Something's got to give. Thanks and God Bless!!

Sorry for the rant. :l
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05 small amounts of numbness in low back
10/06 fall with severe twist and the end of painless life
07-11 PT, Chiro, PT, and more Chiro with some relief
4/11 pain came on and has settled in for good
facet blocks
7 injections
DRX 9000 traction (no help)
Fentanyl patch and 15 mg oxycodon for breakthrough
4 MRI Bulging L5S1 and DDD
3 Dr's suggest ADR
1/13 discogram 7-8/10 pain
2/28/13 ADR scheduled xxxx canceled
3/21/13 L5S1 ADR M6 with Dr. Clavel who else?:-)
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:09 PM
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No worries we've all been there.

One thing though - it is true that the FDA testing is more stringent than European testing to get approval for implantation, however in some ways this is a BAD thing in that it takes soo much money and time that good products like the M6 just can't get approved (yet).

I would look at the 10,000+ M6s installed as a pretty good sample set though, you basically have to scour to get a bad result and it is always surgical error, there is no evidence of device failure at this point.
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Lifelong history of back issues from a young age, spasms etc.
1995 - Weightlifting injury
1997 - Hip Injury
2009 - Trampoline injury (just bounced down on my butt)
2009-2011 Physiotherapy and medication, progress but no lasting pain relief
2010 - X-Ray DDD L5-S1, L4-L5, L4-L3
2010 - MRI Herniation L5-S1, Bulges L4-L5, L4-L3
2011 - Epidurals - No relief
2012 - Facet Injections - No relief
2012 - Discogram TBI - positive L3-S1

L3-S1 ADR M6-L w Clavel 11/28/2012
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:35 PM
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If I need another ADR, it will be with Dr. Dare.
I have exchanged several emails with him and feel pretty confident that he would be fine for me. He has done many surgeries, he just doesn't have alot of his patients posting on this forum. He kinda gets talked about like he's a newbie, but he's not. He doesn't have as much experience as Nick Boeree did, but he didn't graduate last week either.
I found him very knowledgeable, and answered all my questions pretty much the same way Nick did. Dr. Dare has my vote if I need another ADR.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:19 PM
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If I need another ADR, it will be with Dr. Dare.
I have exchanged several emails with him and feel pretty confident that he would be fine for me. He has done many surgeries, he just doesn't have alot of his patients posting on this forum. He kinda gets talked about like he's a newbie, but he's not. He doesn't have as much experience as Nick Boeree did, but he didn't graduate last week either.
I found him very knowledgeable, and answered all my questions pretty much the same way Nick did. Dr. Dare has my vote if I need another ADR.
Vicki,
Thanks for the input. I will be reaching out to him tomorrow as well as heading to my buddy/chiropractors office to get some requested X-rays taken to fulfill the request of clavels office. He was actually my buddy before my chiro. Fitting huh. Do you have any contact info or web address for Dr Dare?? Thanks again and hopefully you will never have to go through the process of an ADR again. I will be thanking god tonight for all of my new companions here at ADR Support in my evening prayers tonight. Thanks again to all and GOD BLESS!!!
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05 small amounts of numbness in low back
10/06 fall with severe twist and the end of painless life
07-11 PT, Chiro, PT, and more Chiro with some relief
4/11 pain came on and has settled in for good
facet blocks
7 injections
DRX 9000 traction (no help)
Fentanyl patch and 15 mg oxycodon for breakthrough
4 MRI Bulging L5S1 and DDD
3 Dr's suggest ADR
1/13 discogram 7-8/10 pain
2/28/13 ADR scheduled xxxx canceled
3/21/13 L5S1 ADR M6 with Dr. Clavel who else?:-)
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:25 PM
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Contact Dr. Dare's PA:
karen.hammond@nuffieldhealth.com
Obviously, her name is Karen Hammond.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:45 PM
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Thanks Vicki

God Bless!
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05 small amounts of numbness in low back
10/06 fall with severe twist and the end of painless life
07-11 PT, Chiro, PT, and more Chiro with some relief
4/11 pain came on and has settled in for good
facet blocks
7 injections
DRX 9000 traction (no help)
Fentanyl patch and 15 mg oxycodon for breakthrough
4 MRI Bulging L5S1 and DDD
3 Dr's suggest ADR
1/13 discogram 7-8/10 pain
2/28/13 ADR scheduled xxxx canceled
3/21/13 L5S1 ADR M6 with Dr. Clavel who else?:-)
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:11 AM
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Since you consolidated I am going to paste my answer from the other thread here:

If you are looking outside the U.S. Dr. Pablo Clavel (Medical tourism in Spain and spine surgery - Barcelona Spine Center) is a good choice, some reasons for recommending him:

1. He did my surgery :P which I consider a success thus far (3 levels 8 weeks in)
2. Overall reputation for quality work on this board (search the forums)
3. He has an excellent bedside manner and exhudes confidence, but not arrogance
4. The value at his clinic hits the sweet spot, cheaper than Germany but much higher quality than India or the like
5. The overall package and the people on his team - top notch, relatively easy to get a hold of and deal with
6. Barcelona - the city is awesome, arrive early
7. The number of procedures he has done, he has implanted well over a 1000 M6s and has done numerous multi-levels

I could go on but I would highly recommend you comb the forums to read patient stories, this is the best way to get a feel for his quality and what to expect. Also arrange a phone consult with him.

Good Luck,

-Jeff
He has done over 500 multi-levels.
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1st American to have 6 ADR's in one surgery. C3-4 - C/7, & L5-S1 - L3-4.
Surgery w/ Dr. Clavel, 3/18/13, M6.
Before surgery: severe spinal stenosis C5/C6 (cord "flattened" per stateside doc), + for Hoffman's & Babinsky's.
At time of surgery: 5 yrs MAX before ending up in wheelchair.
Clavel found L5-S1 partially fused. Had to cut it apart to put in M6.
Please excuse brevity - SEVERE carpel tunnel.
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:13 AM
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Matt,

- Christopher Dare, Hampshire, England - While there have been only two of his patients on this site (both would go to him again), he was the understudy of the late Nick Boeree. We know not a lot about Mr Dare, but as the understudy of the most highly spoken of spine surgeon to which I've had any exposure, Mr Dare warrants consideration.
I was very impressed with my interaction with him. I didn't actually speak to him, but I did like our emails back and forth, and I loved that he wanted to know my symptoms because he was "treating a person, not films".
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Multiple traumas to spine starting age 13.
1st American to have 6 ADR's in one surgery. C3-4 - C/7, & L5-S1 - L3-4.
Surgery w/ Dr. Clavel, 3/18/13, M6.
Before surgery: severe spinal stenosis C5/C6 (cord "flattened" per stateside doc), + for Hoffman's & Babinsky's.
At time of surgery: 5 yrs MAX before ending up in wheelchair.
Clavel found L5-S1 partially fused. Had to cut it apart to put in M6.
Please excuse brevity - SEVERE carpel tunnel.
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:19 AM
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No worries we've all been there.

One thing though - it is true that the FDA testing is more stringent than European testing to get approval for implantation, however in some ways this is a BAD thing in that it takes soo much money and time that good products like the M6 just can't get approved (yet).

I would look at the 10,000+ M6s installed as a pretty good sample set though, you basically have to scour to get a bad result and it is always surgical error, there is no evidence of device failure at this point.
That is only part of it. Prodisc immediately sues for patent infringement any time a new disc tries to come into the US!
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Multiple traumas to spine starting age 13.
1st American to have 6 ADR's in one surgery. C3-4 - C/7, & L5-S1 - L3-4.
Surgery w/ Dr. Clavel, 3/18/13, M6.
Before surgery: severe spinal stenosis C5/C6 (cord "flattened" per stateside doc), + for Hoffman's & Babinsky's.
At time of surgery: 5 yrs MAX before ending up in wheelchair.
Clavel found L5-S1 partially fused. Had to cut it apart to put in M6.
Please excuse brevity - SEVERE carpel tunnel.
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