Dr. Clavel/BSC/Quiron been there done that!!!!!

[Icanraceit]

I would like to let everyone know that I have a beautiful M6 at L5 S1 instead of that old bastard of a disc. Right out of surgery I wanted my old disc back because it never me hurt like the M6. Shortly after I told the the anestisis I thought It would be better to be dead than to feel this he said the nurses had or set a title low considering the amount of drugs I was taking prior to surgery.. He then slammed a large bottle of Morphine into my IV. A few minutes later it was 4 hours later:). When I awoke I was still in massive pain they increased my does from 3 ML/hour to 5 then to 7. Once we added back my oxycodone I was on track. Now it is the second day and I'm off the morphine and Have only taken 2 oxycodon pills and it is 335 here. I feel so blessed by the hands of GOD. I am sore but I feel like this is the beginning of the rest of my life. I owe my wife all the thanks in the world! She has been so helpful. I am urging all of you that are sick of hurting to get in touch with Yolanda at Bacelona Spine Center and get her all your films, MRIs, and discograms. The people here have been the most wonderful people in the world and we Americans can take some notes!?!? I thank all of you for all your kind thoughts, prayers, and good luck wishes. I am dealing better by the hour. GOD BLESS TO ALL OF YOU!!! Pain can be gone!!!!

[jss]

Congratulations! And I'm glad that you've finally gotten the pain under control. I hope you can get up and around a little bit before heading home.

Here's wishing you luck on a successful recovery, Jeff

[Dingie]

Hi,

I had 3 levels L2-L5 with an M-6 by Dr. Clavel in March of 2012. It gets better, some people on this site have had minimal pain, I like you was not one of them:) However, here I am a year later, back to most of my normal activities, little to no discomfort.

It is going to be a little rough for a week or two, but one day you will forget about it...that is heaven:)

Good luck, tell Dr. Clavel and Yolanda hello for me!

Laurie

[Running11]

Congratulations ! You are so blessed to have Dr. Clavel make you better. I hope someday to have hin work some magic on me. My husband is very Leary of going abroad . He thinks if insurance doesn't pay for it and I have complications it's a huge risk for the family. Money is an issue too!

Praying for a speedy recovery!::jacks:I am wishing you the best!

[Icanraceit]

Congratulations ! You are so blessed to have Dr. Clavel make you better. I hope someday to have hin work some magic on me. My husband is very Leary of going abroad . He thinks if insurance doesn't pay for it and I have complications it's a huge risk for the family. Money is an issue too!

Praying for a speedy recovery!::jacks:I am wishing you the best!

Thanks

Running,
Thanks for all the kind thought and well wishes!! I understand all of your and your husbands concerns and if you read my posts it will walk you through the exact concerns from my wife. As I sit in Quiron hospital responding to your thread I can promise you that there are few places in the States that care for their patients like Quiron and Dr. Clavels staff does. I pray that you get a chance to have Dr. Clavel work his magic on you because it is truly a gift. Not to scare you but if you look at the statistics of the surgeries offered in the states at sometime or another most end up with a second surgery or some sort of revision. After this experience I am extremely happy with my decision and if I had to make it again it would be a no brainer. Although the surgery was costly it was a small price to pay for my life. God Bless

[Running11]

I can race it, are you a runner, too? Or another sport? How are you feeling?
Was your recovery ok? I would be interested in hearing more details of your surgery and recovery. God bless!:jacks:

[Icanraceit]

I can race it, are you a runner, too? Or another sport? How are you feeling?
Was your recovery ok? I would be interested in hearing more details of your surgery and recovery. God bless!:jacks:

I am not a runner unless I'm being chased;-). I grew up racing bicycles and motorcycles and moved into cars as I got older. This was not an injury caused by racing it was being a young man in the construction would who was too strong for his own good. Muscularly not skeletaly! As for recovery the first day was something I was not prepared for!! I woke up,in tne most pain I have ever had! There are two reasons for this; I was taking 15mg oxycodon and wearing a fentanyl patch, so when they started me at 3 ml of morphine an hour that was basically starting me at zero plusvinhad to stay off the meds fot 6 hours prior. Second reason for the pain is the doctors here dont want you to suffer but they do want you to know where you are hurting and how bad. They won't drug you to sleep. The second day as completely different. Very bearable. Most of the pain was created by the obvious... I do have back pain and abdomen pain but I am up walking going to the bathroom with no assistance and pretty much rolling smoothly to,a complete recovery. Running, I bonded with Lillyth from this page she was kinda my red flag. Whenever I said something wrong or something she disagreed with she was gentle but would always let me know. I am very happy to share any part of my experience with anyone and I will try to help in any way with the process because although it was tough I know this was the best thing for my family and I. One more thing, Harrison you are one he'll of a guy for working so hard to help us learn about this procedure and I want to say thank you for all you have done. Thanks to everyone who has added information to this site to help educate anytime who wants to learn. God Bless you all!! With Love from BSC!!!

[2Confused]

ICanRaceIt,

Congrats! So happy for you... Dr. Clavel is the best! Glad he worked his magic on you.

[Claudia K.]

Welcome on the other side, enjoy your new back!

[Running11]

I can race it,

Yes, Lily is wonderful ! I met her becuase she leaves nearby me in the Bay area. What do you mean she was your red flag? Does that mean you weren't accepting of your injuries?

I am having so a hard time with my husband. He wants me to get a fusion becuase he is afraid if we somehow come up with the money for ADR , i will have complications. We have been told by one of my spinal doctors that if i go oversees my insurance won't even pay for a painkiller for my neck. He said if we go with ADR oversees we might as well sell our house and that he would never let his wife go oversees for surgery! No wonder why my hubby is so against it. He's afraid its too much of a risk. I think ADR is the only solution.
My husband is encouraging me to get a bi-level fusion in June. Any thoughts ?You said you went through tthe same issues. How did you come to agreement?

[Icanraceit]

[QUOTE=Running11;98856]I can race it,

Yes, Lily is wonderful ! I met her becuase she leaves nearby me in the Bay area. What do you mean she was your red flag? Does that mean you weren't accepting of your injuries?

I am having so a hard time with my husband. He wants me to get a fusion becuase he is afraid if we somehow come up with the money for ADR , i will have complications. We have been told by one of my spinal doctors that if i go oversees my insurance won't even pay for a painkiller for my neck. He said if we go with ADR oversees we might as well sell our house and that he would never let his wife go oversees for surgery! No wonder why my hubby is so against it. He's afraid its too much of a risk. I think ADR is the only solution.
My husband is encouraging me to get a bi-level fusion in June. Any thoughts ?You said you went through tthe same issues. How did you come to agreement?[/QUOTE

First Run, may I ask your age and how long you have been in pain for?.

I was sold on the pro disc or the fusion myself for the exact same reasons your husband is. I was even singing about it here on this website. Lillyth made one comment that was the red flag I needed. She said she would not put the pro disc in her body because the m6 was a far superior implant. She also had other info that made me stop and really think about what I was about to do.

As far as your husband goes I completely understand, it is like I am reading what I wrote about my wife. I asked my wife to also do some research and come up with her own solution. It took her a very short period of time to realize that the best solution for long term results was to have the spinal kinetics M6 installed. Just a bit of info for you. Most fusions end with adjacent disc disease and according to the stats I read it happens at more than a 3% per year per level fused. So if I read it right, if you had a two level fusion in ten years you have about a 60% chance of another surgery. Plus keep in mind if the fusion doesn't work that's it. If the m6 doesn't work Clavel will take it out and fuse it.

It breaks my heart to hear there is an American doctor out there saying these things to someone who is already scared of the outcome of surgery.. To hear that he is telling you that you might as well sell your house, and you insurance won't cover your meds.. That is just simply BULL SH#T. Also keep in mind once surgery is over Dr. Clavel gives you all the meds you need to get you home.

As for complications.... Anything is possible but there is insurance that Dr. Clavel offers for about $1300 that covers any problems with the installation, the device, or the doctors technique.

I ask you to challenge your husband to look online for as many negative outcomes with Dr. Clavel and the M6 VS. fusions done by American doctors. There are other doctors in Europe that do the ADR surgery with the m6 other than Clavel but he made me feel the best and on this site I could not find one negative thing said about him or his surgery.

As for coming to my final agreement With my wife, it was quite an ordeal. The meds made me very aggressive and emotional at times and I had reached my threshold for the situation/my condition. I have a new little girl and I was not going to sacrifice the life my daughter deserved because of my back pain. Especially when the solution was available.

A few final comments on your doctor that has scared your husband to death.. 1 he makes money operating so he is going to say whatever it takes to keep his $100-150k surgery from turning into a $35-50k ADR in Spain. I would then tell that guy to go pound sand and find me a new doctor. There are doctors everywhere that would not do that to you.

Lastly there has been over 10000 m6's installed with no lawsuits to mention in regards to the implant. (that I can find). Trust me I have looked

I hope I have helped and if you need to talk you can private message me and we can exchange info.

I wish you the best of luck and I know it is a ton of money. Worst case send Yolanda your MRIs and X-rays and let Clavel tell you what he thinks. If you want you can then speak to him via Skype along with your husband to answer any questions you may have.

GOD BLESS YOU, pray hard and do your research and eventually things will work themselves out. I pray you are pain free soon!!

[jss]

... The second day as completely different. Very bearable. Most of the pain was created by the obvious... I do have back pain and abdomen pain but I am up walking going to the bathroom with no assistance and pretty much rolling smoothly to,a complete recovery. ...

Congratulations!

[jss]

Running,

I ditto Icanraceit's concerns about cervical fusion and adjacent segment disease. I had a cervical fusion; two years later I needed another at an adjacent segment. Eight years later I was told that I needed THREE more at the adjacent segments.

Dr Alan Hilibrand's 1999 study on cervical adjacent segment disease after fusion is one of the most commonly cited studies in scientific literature on ADR. His findings show that a cervical fusion patient has a 25% chance of surgery at an adjacent segment within 10 years of a fusion. Dr Hilibrand published only the reoperation probability for a single level fusion, stating that the reoperation level for a double fusion was "significantly lower". While there is not yet any data (of which I'm aware) that show the probability of revision surgery 10 years after a double ADR, if you have a double fusion then you'd better be prepared for more surgery a few years down the road.

I do understand your husband's reservations; as it seems that complications from an ADR tend to have very bad outcomes. However, complications from an overseas ADR do seem to occur only very rarely. It can be a difficult call.

Good luck, Jeff

[TPatti]

Running11,
It has been mentioned here before, have you looked to see if an AIMIS doctor is close to you? They perform surgeries in Cyprus and then follow up with you in the US. If another AIMIS doctor performs your surgery they have an agreement to follow up with one another. Dr. Pimenta from Brazil is a member of AIMISS and very well regarded.
I can race it,

Yes, Lily is wonderful ! I met her becuase she leaves nearby me in the Bay area. What do you mean she was your red flag? Does that mean you weren't accepting of your injuries?

I am having so a hard time with my husband. He wants me to get a fusion becuase he is afraid if we somehow come up with the money for ADR , i will have complications. We have been told by one of my spinal doctors that if i go oversees my insurance won't even pay for a painkiller for my neck. He said if we go with ADR oversees we might as well sell our house and that he would never let his wife go oversees for surgery! No wonder why my hubby is so against it. He's afraid its too much of a risk. I think ADR is the only solution.
My husband is encouraging me to get a bi-level fusion in June. Any thoughts ?You said you went through tthe same issues. How did you come to agreement?

[Icanraceit]

Running,

You still there? I hope I didn't offend you or say something to upset you?! I just want you to have all the information out there to help convince poppa. (Your hubby) please let me know if there is anything I can do to help. I have few weeks of down time! God Bless and remember he can help too!:-) ><>

[Running11]

I Can Race It,

You didn't say anything to upset me.

I have been down in the dumps. BC/BC
Gave me a determination on my external appeal. They said no for my cervical 2 level ADR. The reasoning was that I don't have spinal stenosis at level C 4-5 even though they had copies of 2 MRIs that clearly stated I did. I am trying to wrap my head around doctors and diagnostic testing that say I need a treatment yet I was clearly denied

It said I could get ADCF or ADR at C5-6 but I'm not even certain of that. I'm clearly confused and speechless with this whole process. It is swallowing me whole.....:wtf:

[Running11]

I can race it,

I should PM it or email it to you so you can tell me what to make of it?.