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Old 01-22-2009, 02:02 PM
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Cool Germany prices negotiable?

Hi all,
I am new to the boards. I have DDD at L4-L5 and L5-S1. I have been denied ADR by my insurance company as many of you have as well. I have been pursuing multi-level at Stenum and with Dr. Bertagnoli. I have received a diagnosis from Stenum for multi-level ADR at a cost of €uro 27,800.00. Has anyone negotiated the cost with them or Dr. b? I just wonder if it is possible? Also I have read alot of negative about Stenum, however most of what I read was a few years back, have things changed there for the better?
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Old 01-22-2009, 02:25 PM
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As I have said many time, Stenum is great and I believe the best. I think they are a nonprofit organization and I know that one person didn't pay at all and just left. I also know that they do this operation free for people really in need. They travel all over to do this. I also believe they are one of the cheaper ones out there.

Mark
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Old 01-22-2009, 03:19 PM
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I appreciate you taking the time to answer my PM as well. Needless to say I am very nervous about going abroad for surgery. My Brain says don't but my pain says go!
Along the lines of money. Did anyone else have to pay 250 Euro for the medical evaluation with Dr. b?
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:25 PM
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Yes, I had to pay that diagnostic fee for Dr. Bertagnoli as well. Folks have differing opinions on Stenum, no doubt. Obviously, my choice would be Bertagnoli. I was scheduled for surgery at Stenum, but then changed my mind, as alot of the negative was surfacing a few years ago when I had my surgery. Dr. Bertagnoli is awesome. Definitely at the very top of the pecking order when it comes to multiple adr experience. I just told myself: I have one back, one shot. I have to get it right. Dr. B's name and reputation kept bubbling to the surface. My own stateside surgeon said that Dr. B was "the god of multi-level adr's." I jumped on board. Best of luck to you in your decision making!
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Hello,

Not sure on the $ thing ......

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Old 01-22-2009, 06:11 PM
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Will Dr B. use Maverick or just Pro Disc?
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Old 01-22-2009, 07:46 PM
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Dr. B uses the ProDisc. I also believe that the pricing is non-negotiable. If anyone has heard different, I am sure they will pop in.
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Old 01-22-2009, 08:08 PM
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Thumbs up Dr BRudolf Bertagnoli

Hi
I am in the process of an evaluation With Dr.B, Charged me 100 euros,
Requested more test such as old MRI, Bone Dexta, and EMG.
Sent and still waiting for a reply?
Good Searching

Gil
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Old 01-22-2009, 09:18 PM
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I really don't know whether the German ADR specialists negotiate or not. I seriously doubt the clinic that charges over $300 for just a diagnosis does.

I also read the posts about how bad Stenum is. But I have decided if the diagnosis is for ADR, Stenum is where I'll go. There have been a few stories about them in past posts but if you anylize the stories and the story tellers, most, if not all aren't exactly fact based. The most celebrated of the stories ended up with the patient totally pain free.

I have an appointment next month with a surgeon from Stenum. He's coming to the US (not just for me) and the diagnostic fee is $0. As I've been battling this for nearly 3 years, I don't care if I have to refinance the house, sell the BMW or apply for bailout money, I'm getting this done!

Bob
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Old 01-22-2009, 09:51 PM
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Red face Bob?

Hi Bob.

Be careful what you wish for.
I will not have ADR its not there yet.
Read stories of ADR patients 10 years down the road.Revision,fusions,facet joint issues,adjecent disc issues.
Being a spiney sucks.
I will do the least to be pain free and hope ADR things get better in the future.

Hold On

Gil
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