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Old 10-03-2021, 05:37 PM
Philrules Philrules is offline
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Default Dr Pablo Clavel and m6L discs

Hi to everyone!

I live in Germany and as all of you in this community have a problem with my back, a disc protrusion L5S1. I have been living with a shooting pain in the lower back and in the right leg for the past 9 years. No exercises help me unfortunately, only painkillers.

I have been researching an option of an ADR surgery and now choosing between m6L and LP-ESP discs. But all doctors (not surgeons) I have spoken to about this surgery so far trying to tell me off this idea... they tell that artificial discs don't end up well in the lumbar spine and that it's very dangerous.

I have come across this web site recently: Dr. Pablo Clavel

and now have serious doubts about the surgery... now I can walk at least, what if this surgery will make me paralyzed... or all this campaign against this doctor and m6 is pure fake in order to promote ESP disc, I don't know =(

Please, share your thoughts!

Thanks in advance =)
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Old 11-02-2021, 08:24 PM
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Phil, sorry you did not get any replies. Did you search the forum using the advanced search -- for the ESP disc? See:

https://www.adrsupport.org/forums/search.php

There is a ton of information on Clavel. These posts go back to 2004, when I started the forum.
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Old 11-08-2021, 04:31 PM
Cheryl0331 Cheryl0331 is offline
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Default My thoughts

Dr. Clavel was fantastic for me. Super nice man, and Olga was the sweetest. I feel like I know her even though we haven't met. The M6C is a wonderfully engineered disc for 2 level cervical but without a fusion or hybrid. I think the jury is still out on its durability in the lumbar.
There is negative outcomes on almost every surgeon here. Complications and risk can happen with any surgeon that is outside their Control.
Dr. Schmitz in Dusseldorf can use the M6 I believe, but he leans towards the ESP. My revision was extremely complex and Dr. Schmitz had to close a spinal fluid leak. Excellent surgeon and care.
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54 yr old female 5'7" 147 lbs. non-smoker conservative treatments failed
2007 fusion @ C4-6 peek cages, failed due to long term use of cox-2 inhibitor
2008 revised C4-6 donor bone, plate & screws
2009 fusion with Roi-C @ C3-4
2015 MRI & CT mjr ddd @ C6-7, segmental kyphosis at C7-T1, 2-level M6-C prosthesis by Dr. Clavel Barcelona Spain
2019 H.O. formed behind M6-C @ C6-7 left nerve rt & in spinal canal.
2020 Revision C6-7 to a CP-ESP prosthesis by Dr. Schmitz Dusseldorf Germany
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Old 11-29-2021, 04:38 AM
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Default LP-ESP in Germany

Hi Philrules,

If you are interested in the LP-ESP these are the surgeons who use this disc regularly in Germany:

A.N.S.C. Clinic GmbH Bel Etage, Düsseldorf, Dr. Andreas Schmitz
Main-Kinzig-Kliniken Gelnhausen GmbH, Dr. Hölper
Alfried Krupp Krankenhaus Steele Essen, Dr. Himstedt
Elisabeth Krankenhaus GmbH Recklinghausen Dr. Bierstedt
Marien-Krankenhaus Bergisch Gladbach gGmbH, Dr. Tülyü
Sana Dreifaltigkeits-Krankenhaus GmbH, Köln, Dr. Desai
St. Josef Krankenhaus Linnich, Dr. Smajic
Stiftung Bethanien Krankenhaus Moers, Dr. Senyurt

Some of these hospital are also public from what I know.
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Chronic back and leg pain.
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Old 12-03-2021, 01:52 PM
Cheryl0331 Cheryl0331 is offline
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Default And might I add...

Bel Etage Clinic was really a nice place to recover and I thought the food was outstanding.

You might also contact Dr Disai. I am not sure of he uses the ESP, but he is a very well liked doctor on this site. He is also in Germany.
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54 yr old female 5'7" 147 lbs. non-smoker conservative treatments failed
2007 fusion @ C4-6 peek cages, failed due to long term use of cox-2 inhibitor
2008 revised C4-6 donor bone, plate & screws
2009 fusion with Roi-C @ C3-4
2015 MRI & CT mjr ddd @ C6-7, segmental kyphosis at C7-T1, 2-level M6-C prosthesis by Dr. Clavel Barcelona Spain
2019 H.O. formed behind M6-C @ C6-7 left nerve rt & in spinal canal.
2020 Revision C6-7 to a CP-ESP prosthesis by Dr. Schmitz Dusseldorf Germany
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Old 12-05-2021, 08:41 AM
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Dr. Desai definitely implants LP-ESP's and CP-ESP's. Definitely one of the people to consider. You won't find a nicer doctor.
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L4-L5 Broad Diffuse Bulge, mildly contacting left L5 nerve root
L5-S1 Broad Central Disc Protrusion mildly impinging left S1 nerve root
"Mild scoliosis of lumbar spine".
Four central disc protrusions in thoracic spine.

C5-C6, C6-C7 bulging, bone spurs. Imaging not looking good. Successful CP-ESP's placed in Oct 2019 by Dr. Desai.

Delayed lumbar surgery to work on bone density. Considering options now, some but minimal bone density improvement. Will only use LP-ESP.
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Old 04-19-2022, 10:57 AM
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If you don't mind me asking how did you contact Dr. Schmitz?

Thanks,

Karger
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Old 04-19-2022, 12:24 PM
Cheryl0331 Cheryl0331 is offline
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Default Dr. Schmitz Contact Page

Heard about him on Jamie Litrun's Facebook Group https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKydYknRzjM and contacted his IPC via their website: https://clinicbeletage.de/kontakt/
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54 yr old female 5'7" 147 lbs. non-smoker conservative treatments failed
2007 fusion @ C4-6 peek cages, failed due to long term use of cox-2 inhibitor
2008 revised C4-6 donor bone, plate & screws
2009 fusion with Roi-C @ C3-4
2015 MRI & CT mjr ddd @ C6-7, segmental kyphosis at C7-T1, 2-level M6-C prosthesis by Dr. Clavel Barcelona Spain
2019 H.O. formed behind M6-C @ C6-7 left nerve rt & in spinal canal.
2020 Revision C6-7 to a CP-ESP prosthesis by Dr. Schmitz Dusseldorf Germany

Last edited by Cheryl0331; 04-19-2022 at 12:34 PM. Reason: add link for Jamie's interview on YouTube
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Old 04-19-2022, 07:11 PM
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Hello Cheryl
How are you doing now? How are al the other levels?
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C3-C4:Mild disc osteophytes. Mild-moderate right facet arthrosis. Mild right foraminal stenosis.
C4-C5:Midline central disc protrusion, significant. Mild canal stenosis.
C5-C6:Moderate disc osteophytes. Mild-moderate canal stenosis. Moderate-severe bilateral foraminal stenosis.
C6-C-7:Mild-moderate disc osteophytes. Mild canal stenosis. Moderate left and moderate-severe right foraminal stenosis.
June 29,2016-3 level M6 (C4-C7) Dr. Clavel Barcelona
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